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another long book entry
**** 1221) "The Magician's Book: A Skeptic's Adventures in Narnia" by Laura Miller

We read this as a "book club" book over at  [info]bookaddiction a while back, but I never got around to making a personal post on it. I'm going to copy material from my discussion posts there, so this will be a bit longer than my usual book review. In short, in this book Miller talks about her childhood love of Lewis's Narnia series, her disillusionment with the books when they were presented to her as Christian symbolism, and her search for the reason why she still loves them despite disagreeing with their religious premise. Part memoir, part literary criticism and history, part psychology, and with a bit of biography about Lewis and his writings, I found this book very enjoyable and full of interesting ideas. The only thing that frustrated me was the lack of source notes. She presents many references to other works, but no specific sources for her most tantalizing speculations.

Quotes (some that I liked and some that I just thought were good discussion topics)

"...we all know that the books we've loved best are seldom the ones we esteem most highly-- or the ones we'd most like people to think we read over and over again" (p 4).

"...while the process of writing about a book can reveal things you'd never get from simply reading it, it can also make reading a less immediate and visceral experience" (p 5)

"The relationship between book and reader is intimate, at best a kind of love affair, and first loves are famously tenacious" (p 11)

"Do the children who prefer books set in the real, ordinary, workaday world ever read as obsessively as those who would much rather be transported into other worlds entirely?" (p 23).

"...all stories are escapes from life; all stories are unrealistic, or at least all the good ones are. Life, unlike stories, has no theme, no formal unity, and (to unbelievers, at least) no readily apparent meaning. That's why we /want/ stories... Perhaps that's why humanity's oldest stories are full of outlandish events and supernatural beings; the idea that a story must somehow mimic everyday life would probably have seemed daft to the first tellers. Why even bother to tell a story about something so commonplace?" (p 25).

"Like Lewis's, my material life [in childhood] often seemed to be nothing more than the drab and shadowy interludes between the hours when I could read and retreat to an interior realm furnished with the fabulous treasure I had scavenged from hundreds of books." 42

"Gardens make a particularly good image of the self for a writer, because while a garden can be cultivated and enjoyed privately, it can also yield fruit that can be shared with others." 50

"...children are literalists; they lack not only the cognitive skills but also the sheer bulk of information it takes to formulate abstractions and recognize general patterns. They think in specifics, of the concrete, tactile reality they encounter every day. As Philip Pullman... is wont to say, 'Children are not less intelligent than adults; what they are is less informed.' Sometimes they do not see the forest because they're still getting acquainted with the trees." 87

"Once we learn to see things with the idea that they belong to a particular category, we're in danger of missing all the qualities they share with things in other categories, not to mention all the qualities that are theirs alone." (p89)

"Like Lewis, I hankered after the ineffable and the sublime, but the story of Jesus had never spoken to that part of my imagination. Christianity was too monolithic, comprehensive, and established. Temperamentally,  preferred uncertainty, slippery boundaries, little neglected corners of the world where magic lurked unnoticed, and strangeness." (p 100)

"If literary writing has any distinguishing characteristic, it's that the more you look at it the more you see, and the more you see the more you want to go on looking." (p 113)

I am tempted to disagree with this, although I cannot say why. I can think of an example in which it is true-- Madeleine L'Engle's "A Wrinkle In Time" (another children's book with an underlying religious message, in some ways). Perhaps I object not so much to that statement as to one which follows it closely:
"The closer and more completely you can come to explaining what a work of art means, the less like art it seems."
(114)

"[In school] If anything, the more I enjoyed a story, the less likely it was to be serious, worthwhile literature." 116 How true!!

"Disgust, however elemental it feels, is often just a matter of the company you keep." 122 There is some room for debate on this, from a psychology perspective.

"We want the artists who have changed our lives to lead exemplary lives of their own." (p 125)


This following section is not very well informed, I think, but a fascinating premise to follow up on:

"But surely what the sadist or masochist craves most is a particular /dynamic/, generated by a theatrical imbalance of power, in which one player towers above, possessed of all the strength, glory, and authority, while the other cringes below in utter humility and dependence. The imbalance creates a charged emotional appeal; who plays what role matters less than the voluptuous contrast between them. Often no real violence and very little pain are involved. The sadomasochistic impulse seems to arise not from the urge to behave aggressively, but from the desire to be suspended in an ever-unfolding continuum of overwhelming feeling. And this, in turn, throw new light on the emphasis Lewis put on him submissiveness before God; for here was a man for whom piety and prostration were very much the same thing...

"...my friend asked, 'But isn't that the same thing as almost everyone's relationship to God? It's about bowing as low as you can before an incomprehensible power.'
"
His observation stopped me in my tracks. Surely not every believer is a closet sadomasochist? On the other hand, perhaps sadomasochism is not as exotic as it's made out to be. Perhaps its devotees are merely people whose affinity for a particular dynamic takes a sexual rather than a spiritual form? ...[in church as a girl] I saw the tortured body of a man, swooning in agony, blood dripping from his brow, hands, feet, and side. What would someone with no prior knowledge of Christianity conclude upon walking into /that/ god's temple...

"Remove the overt sexuality and the paraphernalia from a sadomasochistic scene, and the emotional center of helplessness and dependency isn't so very different from the intense bond between parent and child or a god and his worshipper. Perhaps all of these are facets of something universal that I, too, can recognize. It's the desire to be carried away by something greater than ourselves-- a love affair, a group, a movement, a nation, a faith. Or even a book." (166-7)


I confess, I just love the idea of religion as an S&M relationship with God!

"Men like J. M. Barrie and Lewis Carroll preferred the company of children not (as the jaded modern mind sometimes presumes) because they were pedophiles seeking adult pleasures from children, but because they longed for the childlike pleasures they couldn't share with
adults." 174
My instinct is to agree strongly. But this is one of those places where I'd love to see some source material for her conclusion.

"Ideally, reading is a kind of collaboration; the more a reader brings to the book, the more he has to contribute to the experience and the richer it will be." 264

"Fairies, neither angels nor men, neither good nor evil, have no place in God's plan. That is the real source of their appeal and their threat, and the reason why fundamentalists object to witches, wizards, and other occult elements in children's books. It's not that these figures lure readers to Satanism, but that they introduce the possibility that God and Satan are not your only options." 276

"The power of a myth doesn't arise from the particular words used to convey it; it can even be felt when no words at all are used." 286



From my original posts:

The third part of the book struck me as the least organized-- as if it contained, in no particular order, all the thoughts and research the author had left-over after writing the main portion of the book. Some parts I found very intriguing, while others (such as the tangents about Tolkien's writing) seemed out-of-place.

One thing I did like in particular was the beginning of the section, in which she talks about what Narnia /looks/ like. If nothing else, it left me with a powerful urge to visit the British Isles! We miss out on so much historical landscape here in America. My own vision of Narnia was based largely on the BBC/Wonderworks movies I watched as a child, with a bit of the book's illustrations thrown in (although I didn't actually remember that the books had illustrations until she mentioned it). And yet, despite the fact that the filming took place in real and probably quite mundane locations, I always had a very magical image of the land-- as with the story itself, there always seemed to be something more just around the corner, the constant possibility of other marvels and stories. I'm curious now, too, to go to facebook and find all the pictures tagged "Narnia," to see other people's visions of it.

I agree with Miller that Lewis's inconsistencies and melding of many stories adds to the excellence of the books rather than detracting from them. Yes, Tolkien's creation is far more technically accomplished, but I've never been a fan of Lord of the Rings-- the weight and realism of it all makes it rather dull to me, like reading poorly-written history rather than fantasy (I was a bit surprised that she didn't mention this critique among the many objections to Tolkien-- I know I'm not the only one who's had that reaction to his work). The thing is that C. S. Lewis, like Lewis Carroll, is able to think and write in the same magical, rambling voice in which children imagine. There doesn't need to be logic and consistency in a child's world, because it's all so dream-like at a young age. At least, that's how I remember it.

I was greatly interested in Miller's discussion of Lewis's own literary criticism, and the many mythologies and literary forms on which he drew. I find myself wanting to read the British fairy tales (I was shocked, though, at her claim of how modern most of them are-- can anyone recommend good source material on that?) romantic poetry, and medieval allegories, all of which are sadly lacking in my personal repertoire.




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[info]nightengalesknd
2009-10-20 06:23 pm UTC (link)
"Do the children who prefer books set in the real, ordinary, workaday world ever read as obsessively as those who would much rather be transported into other worlds entirely?"

I sure did. The books I read the most obsessively as a child were Dr. Spock and some of my how-to books. And I read narratives such as Laura Ingalls. And I also read plausible (or reasonably plausible) fiction over and over such as the Bobbsey Twins. I didn't develop a taste for speculative fiction until the tail end of my teens, but I was definitely an obsessive reader long beforehand. I still read and reread cookbooks and anthropology and teaching manuals and historical fiction with the same or greater voracious abandon that I dabble at fantasy and Sci-fi.

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[info]queenlyzard
2009-10-22 05:34 am UTC (link)
Good to know! I, too, was occasionally transported by realistic fiction (particularly Ingalls, and some Nancy Drew books and so on), but my main interest was in the mystical and fantastic. Authors like Madeleine L'Engle and Mercedes Lackey swept me away, and I always felt like I'd fit in far better in their worlds than in this one.

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[info]hostirad
2009-10-21 12:22 am UTC (link)
The Miller book sounds like a great read. I love the quote about fairies--I think it is right on.

I remember our (Presbyterian) church selling the Narnia books right alongside Paul Tillich and other heavier philosophical tomes. I knew that they were supposed by be Christian allegories, but as a boy about to enter the fourth grade, I did not really give a crap about that. I thought they were good stories. I had finished all of the Oz books the year before, so this was something else I could get into.

Interestingly, though, when our teacher asked us the first week of school to list the books we had read the past summer, I felt vaguely embarrassed about listing the books by name. So, instead, I wrote something like, "several books on religion" to make it sound more respectable. Right next to the dozen Hardy Boys books I had read that summer!

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[info]queenlyzard
2009-10-22 05:35 am UTC (link)
It is a pretty interesting book. For that matter, come join my book community if you haven't already!

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Some of those quotes...I
[info]nimbrethil
2009-10-21 05:39 am UTC (link)
"...we all know that the books we've loved best are seldom the ones we esteem most highly-- or the ones we'd most like people to think we read over and over again" (p 4).

I had a hard time wrapping my head around this one. I do have a few books which are guilty pleasures that I admit aren't the best examples of writing out there. But I can't imagine loving a book and somehow not holding it in high esteem. I mean, there are books I've loved dearly which I would not classify as High Literature, but that hardly means I don't esteem them. It just means I don't play the elitist game of suggesting one book is more worthy than another based on its supposed literary standing. What comes to mind are a handful of children's books that I positively adored when I was younger--the Ralph S. Mouse titles, everything by E.B. White, the Celery Stalks at Midnight books all come to mind, and most of all the Woodland Frolic series--which, if I were to come across them today, I'd probably sit down and have myself one hell of a glorious nostalgia trip reliving the wonder I felt reading them as a kid, and I love reading too much to be embarrassed by that. So, no, can't really fathom the idea of not esteeming a book you love.

"...while the process of writing about a book can reveal things you'd never get from simply reading it, it can also make reading a less immediate and visceral experience" (p 5)"

Meh. I think this is obvious and I'm not sure why it even bears mention. (Not you, the author). Reading for pleasure is always different from reading for the purpose of research, although the latter can certainly be enjoyable. I would hope that someone writing about a book has already read it for pleasure at least once anyway, else why the motivation to write about it in the first place?


"The relationship between book and reader is intimate, at best a kind of love affair, and first loves are famously tenacious" (p 11)

Absolutely! I re-read a book from my childhood once and was so struck by the difference between what I remembered and the adult reading, that I occasionally will revisit a book I loved as a kid just because I can't help but appreciate the huge leap in perspective, and upon re-reading it from that adult viewpoint I may wonder what the bloody hell I was thinking, but that critique doesn't make me love it any less. Uusally it just makes me smile.

"Do the children who prefer books set in the real, ordinary, workaday world ever read as obsessively as those who would much rather be transported into other worlds entirely?" (p 23).

I really don't like this line of thinking, and I'm one of those people whose preferred genre is epic fantasy. People like to read or they don't, the particular stuff they prefer to read is a completely separate issue with no bearing on it. I know people who just, for whatever reason, can't abide fantastical settings, but they are voracious readers nevertheless, and only an elitist dipshit would suggest that they are voracious readers despite that. This line of thought also implies that books with real-world settings are inherently inferior to books in fantasy milieus, which just isn't so. You can be swept away by ANY book, regardless of the setting.

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Some of those quotes...II
[info]nimbrethil
2009-10-21 05:40 am UTC (link)
"...all stories are escapes from life; all stories are unrealistic, or at least all the good ones are. Life, unlike stories, has no theme, no formal unity, and (to unbelievers, at least) no readily apparent meaning. That's why we /want/ stories... Perhaps that's why humanity's oldest stories are full of outlandish events and supernatural beings; the idea that a story must somehow mimic everyday life would probably have seemed daft to the first tellers. Why even bother to tell a story about something so commonplace?" (p 25).

I dunno, I think the best is a mix of both worlds. There's a reason why the Everyman archetype is one of the most beloved; people tend to love best those characters with whom they most identify, but part of the fun of reading is watching vastly ordinary people thrust into extraordinary situations that will either make or break them. But sometimes, life--real life--can be extraordinary, for good or bad, and I've certainly read a few books which are near and dear to me because they involved situations and circumstances which I've been close to one way or another, making it all the easier to identify with and appreciate. And we all have known people whose actual lives have been storybook extraordinary. So it's entirely possible for a book to be "real," and yet emotionally gripping.

"...children are literalists; they lack not only the cognitive skills but also the sheer bulk of information it takes to formulate abstractions and recognize general patterns. They think in specifics, of the concrete, tactile reality they encounter every day. As Philip Pullman... is wont to say, 'Children are not less intelligent than adults; what they are is less informed.' Sometimes they do not see the forest because they're still getting acquainted with the trees."

I'm one of the exceptions to this. There were times when I was very young when I took things extremely literally (Great example, when I was told that Jesus was in your heart, when I was 4 or 5 I took that to quite literally mean there was a miniature Jesus tromping around inside my blood pump). But I had a strong grasp of abstract concepts from a pretty early age. While I'm thinking about it, I remember that even in high school and college, I ran into more students than not who had a rather poor grasp of abstracts. It's worth noting that these were always people who loathed reading and only did it when they had to, and sometimes not even then. So I think that, barring learning/cognitive disabilities, children who are taught and encouraged to read from the very start tend to have a better ability to grasp abstractions, period.

"Ideally, reading is a kind of collaboration; the more a reader brings to the book, the more he has to contribute to the experience and the richer it will be."

I'm not sure what this means. The only thing I bring to a book is suspension of disbelief and an expectation to be entertained. If anything, I sometimes find that bringing my past reading experiences to a book can make me judge it pre-emptively rather than on its own merits.

"Fairies, neither angels nor men, neither good nor evil, have no place in God's plan. That is the real source of their appeal and their threat, and the reason why fundamentalists object to witches, wizards, and other occult elements in children's books. It's not that these figures lure readers to Satanism, but that they introduce the possibility that God and Satan are not your only options."

Hear, hear. Although it was a soap opera that turned me away from the Christ God. *grin*

Edited at 2009-10-21 07:49 am UTC

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Re: Some of those quotes...II
[info]queenlyzard
2009-10-22 05:40 am UTC (link)
A soap opera? Really? Which one?

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Re: Some of those quotes...II
[info]nimbrethil
2009-10-22 02:52 pm UTC (link)
LOL

When I was 13 or so, I was a big soaper, like Mom (I hate the things now). One Life to Live introduced a character, around then, who was basically a Wiccan. They avoided such terms as witchcraft, Pagan, or Wiccan, and the like, but she worshipped a Goddess, honored the Sabbats, believed and used magic in the form of divination, crystal and herbs, and various other McWiccan practices.

It's hard to describe the magnitude of the effect of seeing someone portrayed as a present-day worshipper of a Goddess had on my brain, raised as a fairly conservative Christian as I was. At the time, I genuinely believed that polytheists were extinct and that nobody seriously believed in female deities anymore. At the same time, that was about the time of my first real crisis of faith, and the notion of a female All-Mother was viscerally appealing on so many levels.

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Re: Some of those quotes...I
[info]queenlyzard
2009-10-22 05:39 am UTC (link)
Good heavens, I ought to have numbered those quotes. And why weren't you there when we discussed this over at "bookaddiction"?!

As to the first one, I agree with you for the most part, although I confess to having more "guilty pleasure" reading than I'd like to admit. The author comes from more "literary" (eg, snobby) circles, though.

As to the second quote you mention, I think part of what struck me about that is that it isn't always a conscious choice whether or not to read a book critically. To some extent, I've lost my ability to read a book without taking it to pieces just a bit... and at times I miss that innocence.

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